Curse

**cosyfiep** · Jan 23, 2006, 10:20 PM // 22:20

Ok, my buddy and I want to do some gaming, so we load up with 6 henchies including the 2 healers.....along the way our party gets decimated and I am the only one to survive, lucky for me I have a rez and Lina is not too far away. I rez her and bring her to the next closest --another henchie and she refuses to rez him!! I stand her on top of him, next to him, near, around, nothing for over 10 minutes!...hmmmmmm. so I decide this aint working...ok, lets find the rest of the party...hey my buddy is not too far away (the enemy has retreated) so, bringing Lina to my buddy, nope wont rez him either....WTF so we talk between us and my buddy says try to get her over to the other healer. Ok, bring lina to alesia and yep, she will raise alesia and then my buddy.....we did this several times to check it out...seems that the healers will ONLY raise the other healer and no one else until they do that...then the over player and lastly the other henchies....

this happened to us once and killed the whole party off since the healer wouldnt raise my buddy ....yeah from now on I wont raise the henchie healers first, my buddy comes first (and hope he's got a rez) then the henchies. Or maybe we wont bring both of them along.
Has anyone else noticed this?

Cymmina · Jan 23, 2006, 10:32 PM // 22:32

Yes. They changed the hench AI fairly recently. They're a lot more aggressive about resurrecting now, too. They will rush in and agro a bunch of crap just to raise the other healer, where as before, they wouldn't res a non-safe corpse unless you get pretty close to it (like almost on top of it).

It's a pain because I've had instances where if they had simply resed the safe members of the group, we could have killed what was camping the corpse of the dead monk hench. Instead, they rush in and suicide themselves and we get wiped out.

Zaklex · Jan 23, 2006, 10:56 PM // 22:56

What you failed to mention was if your Res was a hard res or a Res sig, if any human player is left alive that has a hard res(i.e. Resurrect, Rebirth, etc.), then the AI is supposed to default to letting the human player do the ressing first. The henches are only supposed to Res when no human player has a hard Res(not Res Sig).

**cosyfiep** · Jan 24, 2006, 12:47 AM // 00:47

I was a me/n and my buddy w/r we had rez signets ONLY.
Never had this problem with my monk 2ndary character as I always had a resurrect skill on board....only noticed it when we had no monks with (primary or secondary).

Pevil Lihatuh · Jan 24, 2006, 10:43 AM // 10:43

as said, henchies res those with a reuseable res first (i.e. Alesia, Mhenlo, Lina, human monk IF they brought a res). It can get annoying, but at least that way if they die whilst ressing, the one who gets ressed can continue ressing, and you don't end up with Thom running round with no res sig. You'll also notice that if both healers die, one of the henchies with a res sig will normally res one of them immediately (unless, again, you have a 'proper' res)

I refuse to PUG anymore so I use henchies a lot,a nd whilst this can be annoying when Alesia dies right next to the mob and everyone else died in a 'safe' zone, its far less annoying than before they changed the AI. Even on my monk the henchies will res btw, usually i beat them to it though and they get interupted

Tarkin · Jan 24, 2006, 02:00 PM // 14:00

Rez system

All dead hench monk still alive

>human with "hard" rez, no one? > hench with "hard" rez, no one? > human with still working rez signet, no one? > hench with still working rez signet, no one? > human player without rez, no one? > hench without rez

The henchs monks never will rez a human without hard, or still working rez signet before a hench monk with hard rez...

Mavrik · Jan 24, 2006, 05:05 PM // 17:05

the answer my friend is simple... hit CTRL then double click your mouse over who you want them to rez. The monk will then rez the one your clicking on, or even if your monk is dead, surviving hench, all seem to have a rez sig.

Rafe · Jan 25, 2006, 12:21 AM // 00:21

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Originally Posted by Mavrik

the answer my friend is simple... hit CTRL then double click your mouse over who you want them to rez. The monk will then rez the one your clicking on, or even if your monk is dead, surviving hench, all seem to have a rez sig.

I have tried that and it does not work.

EternalTempest · Jan 25, 2006, 12:24 AM // 00:24

Have you tied your buddy taking his CTRL then click on his health to get "Im Dead" spam message?

Mavrik · Jan 25, 2006, 12:54 AM // 00:54

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Originally Posted by Rafe

I have tried that and it does not work.

Works like a charm for me. I also use that method/calling targets to control the hench into attacking what I am attacking. That works also. I'll even target myself when fleeing from certain death and they will run after me instead of dying/fighting. Since I use hench for most missions, I've learned to control them rather well. For being AI, they listen better then people.

Tarkin · Jan 25, 2006, 03:17 AM // 03:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mavrik

the answer my friend is simple... hit CTRL then double click your mouse over who you want them to rez. The monk will then rez the one your clicking on, or even if your monk is dead, surviving hench, all seem to have a rez sig.

You will broken fingers before a monk rez someone without rez before someone with some type of rez...

Two April Mornings · Jan 25, 2006, 03:45 AM // 03:45

Ctrl + henchman = how i beat the game

KANE OG · Jan 25, 2006, 03:49 AM // 03:49

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Originally Posted by Two April Mornings

Ctrl + henchman = how i beat the game

Exactly. Henchmen rule this game when used properly. I hope they don't upgrade them, nerf them, or change them in any way. It just takes practice and skill.

Rafe · Jan 25, 2006, 03:58 AM // 03:58

They only follow my attack targets. When I tell em res, boys, they ignore.

strcpy · Jan 25, 2006, 07:07 AM // 07:07

I've never once had the "crtl-double click me" have them rez me any time the wouldn't normally do so. They always follow thier rules listed above.

I once was killed about 3 seconds before the boat was raised in sanctum cay and sat for over 3 minutes furiously doing just that on my self. Henchies never once even attempted to rez me (alesia didn't, once she died the other henchies immediatly rez sig'd her). If it has any effect on them rezing it has to be more than simply ctrl-double-clicking on your corpse, your health, or anything else I could think of through that particular run of the mission. It wasn't that long ago (a few weeks) that this happened, I haven't died with them since then but I still faithfully try the method listed above in a hope to figure out why it seems to work for some people (I'm assuming those people aren't mistaken or telling untruths).

They do, however, follow called targets pretty well and is a very useful tactic. Now if only thier pathing would stop the stupid body blocking done by a shrub or single mob when you called target it would be mroe useful.

Necrotic · Jan 25, 2006, 07:28 AM // 07:28

People lie about in game commands??? Perish the thought....why would anyone lie about in game commands??? /sarcasm

Pevil Lihatuh · Jan 25, 2006, 11:43 AM // 11:43

I've never gotten the ctrl-click me to work either. If I don't have a hard res they don't wanna know.

Henchies are far better than people realise. i'm currently taking my other 5 chars through the game, and after my first char, I'm refusing to take PUGs. So far, I got 2 to Augury (still gotta ascend) and the ONLY mission I haven't done with henchies was Aurora Glade. In fact as my warrior I sat back and ctrl-clicked my way through Riverside and Sanctum. I had 4 henchies damaging and Alesia healing and they still got me through it far more easily than when I played with my main char and PUGS (admittedly I'm probably more experienced now which helps, but thats not the point

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strcpy · Jan 27, 2006, 10:03 AM // 10:03

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Originally Posted by Necrotic

People lie about in game commands??? Perish the thought....why would anyone lie about in game commands??? /sarcasm

I hate to accuse people of lieing when they, or I, could simply be mistaken. It's possible that they rarely die (I rarely do anymore) and everytime they did the above it "worked" - though they would have been rezed at that point anyway. Or it's possible that a "ctrl-double click" works somewhere in thier AI also, just that everytime I have tried to use it the double-click is too far down thier priority for me to be sure.

Of course, given what the internet and online gaming is and all I don't put it past people to tell untruths or simply outright lie (an "untruth" being something they haven't really personally tried but they are sure enough to repeat as true - that differs in my defintion of a lie in that the intention is still to help, not to give the wrong idea and screw you).

Arturo02 · Jan 27, 2006, 12:18 PM // 12:18

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Originally Posted by Tarkin

You will broken fingers before a monk rez someone without rez before someone with some type of rez...

am I the only one who is confused by this sentence?

LifeInfusion · Jan 28, 2006, 02:08 AM // 02:08

I tried to do Iron Mines of Moludune at the excitement that they made it playable again. I have not competed the mission since September or October since I had finished the mission very long ago in August.

Anyway, I tried the bonus because I have not done the bonus on my warrior but it was complete on my necro (over the summer). I get all the way to the opposite end of the mission map past the engineers and such and I died to a swarm of 4 mursaat. The henches act stupidly and then try to res me midbattle. Of course, they don't get healed and the life transfer, thunderclap and oath shot tactics of the mursaat ultimately decimate the henchman team.